This is HORRIBLE ... Time for a Change

[Jim Warfield]

Yes so True!

A 95 yr. old man who was a Policeman told me how he removed a bullet, had the rookie shoot, of course nothing happened ballistically but he jerked his arm way up in the air, and that was why he couldn't ever hit the target! (He was blaming the gun!)
Story 2: A local Farmer as a teenager was shooting the 1911 Army 45, cal, pistol, his cousin wanted to shoot it, said he knew what he was doing.. he pulled the trigger , it fired, the recoil brought the pistol back beside his head, he fired a second time via reflex the bullet went straight up but the second shot deafened the guy, perminently in that one, near, ear.
Sorry to "report" but late tonight on Facebook some idiot made a video from the Tv broadcast of Dr, Parker, parent who lost his little girl , is now being called "An Actor" as they critique his "performance", it was all faked !
Amazing isn't it? I will bet the same people who faked 9-11 and World War Two did this.

[Mike Goff]

"Even a trained Policeman can forget something, leave a gun exposed, ex cetra, why would a school teacher be any better at keeping a gun locked up, in just their control?
Breaking into a school is a fairly common thing isn't it? Maybe it should be worked on so that it isn't common nor easy before guns live there.
This is not an easy problem to begin to solve.

You are absolutely right Jim. People are human. I would first like to bust the myth that policemen are the standard by which all firearm compentancy is measured. I teach cops, I teach civillians, and I have taught military, on a side note I'm waiting to hear back from TDI, but it looks like I will be teaching in this pilot program. First off most cops are terrible shots. Most practice once a year right before they qualify and that's it. Their hit to shots fired ratio is horrendous. The personallity trait that causes most of them to become police officers is usually the very thing that prevents them from becoming accurate with a handgun. Most cops are very authoritarian, some would say control freak, but you get the idea. In order to be an expert marksman, you have to give up control to be in control. A tight grip will cause you to miss the target. They constantly jerk the trigger, and then will argue with you about it. I like to set there gun up for a malfunction and record them with my phone. I then show them the video of them jerking the trigger so hard that their entire arm moves. They still argue about it.

As far as compentancy goes, many, NOT all, become complacent, and burnt out. I can't say that I blame them for this. I believe that you would be surprised at how effective we are at teaching students the importance of safe gun habits and accountability. We have videos that are so sad, they make people cry, and then we engrain in them that it can be avoided.

Ultimately the alternative is to leave our schools as mass murder welcome centers. You bring up valid points that we will address passionately, and dilligently. I am volunteering my time on this project, for me it's personal, my daughter is in one of those mass murder welcome centers. Each teacher I train will have my number and have access to private lessons and or discussions anytime they want. It is my mission to bring everyone that I can to a level of profficency that will rival the best that the tactical community has to offer.

[Jim Warfield]

Some one on the radio said..

"Even a trained Policeman can forget something, leave a gun exposed, ex cetra, why would a school teacher be any better at keeping a gun locked up, in just their control?
Breaking into a school is a fairly common thing isn't it? Maybe it should be worked on so that it isn't common nor easy before guns live there.
This is not an easy problem to begin to solve.

[Mike Goff]

Good news

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8694


Common sense may be prevailing, even our attorney general is calling for CHL in the classroom. The man that is writing the lesson plan for this 3 day class is the gentleman that I mentioned earlier. Former swat commander, and advocate for training teachers.

[BigT]

Look at Prohibition

Larry, look back in history. Prohibition was put into place because Alcohol was blamed for crime. What happened? Prohibition had the opposite effect. It backfired. Crime sky rocketed, and corruption was rampant. People still got alcohol through speak eases or home stills. Gun control will have no effect on crime whatsoever, other than increase corruption and crime just as prohibition did.

Think of it this way. How many criminals do you know of that would use their own personal (and registered) gun in a crime? I know I certainly wouldn't. Much easier to buy a gun on the black market (they are readily available, and outlawing guns will make this a very lucrative market).

I wonder what the outcome would have been had the staff at the school been armed?

BTW: read the statistics. Most of these shooting sprees occur in areas with tight gun controls. Criminals know people will be defenseless.

[Mike Goff]

Glock 23 .40 S&W with crimson trace. Sorry Mike....sorry to disapoint you with the crimson trace.

Wicked farmer

At least it's a Glock, good caliber too

[Mike Goff]

Appreciate the offer, if I'm ever in your neck of the woods...

One thing that strikes me when I watch this - my understanding is that it's not a "feature" of any Glock to disengage slide lock upon magazine seating. I know that it happens, that a slide will engage upon slamming a mag, but isn't that an anomaly? Never heard if there's a competition tweak that causes it.

The thing I don't get is that he can't have his left thumb on the slide release because he has to have the slide back to chamber round #2. So he's hovering over the slide release until he seats the mag, left thumbing the release then trigger pull. I was able to pause enough to see that he is staying on trigger during the exchange, be great if they showed whether he got both shots on paper.

Ok, I gave a piss poor example of a slide lock reload. All of the other videos on the page were like 3 minutes long. This guy has many problems that cost him time, and I know damn well he did not hit the target. He didn't even obtain sight picture.

I will send you a PM of what he should have done and why. I usually charge 50 bucks an hour for this, and I'm sure the anti-gun crowd is not interested.

[wickedfarmer]

Come visit me, I'll have you under 1.5 from concealment in a few hours. A 1911 is the kind of gun you show to your buddies, a Glock is the kind of gun you show to the bad guy.

Glock 23 .40 S&W with crimson trace. Sorry Mike....sorry to disapoint you with the crimson trace.

Wicked farmer

[Twin Locusts]

Come visit me, I'll have you under 1.5 from concealment in a few hours. A 1911 is the kind of gun you show to your buddies, a Glock is the kind of gun you show to the bad guy.

Appreciate the offer, if I'm ever in your neck of the woods...

One thing that strikes me when I watch this - my understanding is that it's not a "feature" of any Glock to disengage slide lock upon magazine seating. I know that it happens, that a slide will engage upon slamming a mag, but isn't that an anomaly? Never heard if there's a competition tweak that causes it.

The thing I don't get is that he can't have his left thumb on the slide release because he has to have the slide back to chamber round #2. So he's hovering over the slide release until he seats the mag, left thumbing the release then trigger pull. I was able to pause enough to see that he is staying on trigger during the exchange, be great if they showed whether he got both shots on paper.

[Mike Goff]

I'm not even in the same zip code as this guy - I don't have to take my eyes off range but have never practiced speed.

Never shot a G17, I've 50 round qualified twice with a G19, 100's on both. There are a lot of Glock detractors out there,
but I love my 19, most consistent, true grouping I can produce. Ironically, the only jam I've ever had on it was while
qualifying, whole range had to cease fire. The bad part was, by the rules, I couldn't clear my own jam - instructor had
to come over and do it. Out of 10 in the class though, six were Glock carriers. The rest were hammerless revolvers.

Come visit me, I'll have you under 1.5 from concealment in a few hours. A 1911 is the kind of gun you show to your buddies, a Glock is the kind of gun you show to the bad guy.

[Mike Goff]

Agreed, whatever comes down will be similar to, and more comprehensive than, Clinton AWB. The irony about the process is how that when legislation passes and the know-nothings see the headlines, "Assault Weapons Banned" they think that magically all these, as defined, arms disappear or become illegal to own. The ban only effects new sales and manufacturing, there many millions of these arms owned currently and nothing about that changes. An AWB will have no impact whatsoever on spree killers for the next 50 years.

The degree to which the "American perspective" on rights and freedoms has been skewed by public education is staggering. Stalin and Khrushchev's 'Useful Idiots' are now the majority, and only took a few decades since the Cold War. Now that Generation Duck Face can vote all bets are off; we're at greased-pig speed toward an Orwellian theme park.

Amen Brother, I started a few posts along these lines myself, but then stopped myself. You know the whole honey vs. vinegar analogy.

So far the word that I am getting is that it will not be retroactive, I say bullshit. The idea of reclassifying title 2 weapons was being talked about before the shooting, so I definately think they are on it hard. Here is the deal, I doubt that congress has the votes to do this, and even if they did, they don't have the athority. If they are going to do it in such a way that it will not be thrown out in the supreme court, they will have to have a constitutional ammendment. They have precedence for reclassification, but even that was illegal. I think that the reason noone challenged the street sweeper is because nobody cared. That may have been a mistake. What it really comes down to is what people will tolerate, and I believe that we will have an answer to that very soon.

[Twin Locusts]

This guy isn't super fast, but you get the idea of how effective a capacity ban will be. Again, these people are stupid.

I'm not even in the same zip code as this guy - I don't have to take my eyes off range but have never practiced speed.

Never shot a G17, I've 50 round qualified twice with a G19, 100's on both. There are a lot of Glock detractors out there,
but I love my 19, most consistent, true grouping I can produce. Ironically, the only jam I've ever had on it was while
qualifying, whole range had to cease fire. The bad part was, by the rules, I couldn't clear my own jam - instructor had
to come over and do it. Out of 10 in the class though, six were Glock carriers. The rest were hammerless revolvers.

[Twin Locusts]

I believe that they will try to classify ALL semiauto rifles and all pistol magazines with a capacity greater than 10 as title 2 weapons. If they do this, all hell will break loose. They did this with the streetsweeper shotgun (which is a turd, BTW). If there is another shooting, which I think there will be, we may even see a total registration.

Here is exactly what will happen with a magazine ban. If they limit capacity to 10 rounds people and the gun manufacturers will gravitate to larger caliber weapons with lower capacity. Instead of being shot with a .380 or a 9mm, people will start being shot with 45 ACP and 10mm. Remember I said this, people will gravitate to larger caliber weapons.

On a side note, I can slide lock reload in .5 seconds, so the mag ban means nothing to me, these morons can kiss my ass. It amazes me how stupid they are. Shall I continue with how worthless legislation is, or do the gun grabbers here still think that the criminals will obey the law?

Agreed, whatever comes down will be similar to, and more comprehensive than, Clinton AWB. The irony about the process is how that when legislation passes and the know-nothings see the headlines, "Assault Weapons Banned" they think that magically all these, as defined, arms disappear or become illegal to own. The ban only effects new sales and manufacturing, there many millions of these arms owned currently and nothing about that changes. An AWB will have no impact whatsoever on spree killers for the next 50 years.

The degree to which the "American perspective" on rights and freedoms has been skewed by public education is staggering. Stalin and Khrushchev's 'Useful Idiots' are now the majority, and only took a few decades since the Cold War. Now that Generation Duck Face can vote all bets are off; we're at greased-pig speed toward an Orwellian theme park.

[Mike Goff]

This guy isn't super fast, but you get the idea of how effective a capacity ban will be. Again, these people are stupid.

[Mike Goff]

I thought there was actual definition/criteria for assult rifle. Without looking...intermediate range cartridge capable of full auto or burst with a shoulderable stock.

That is the definition that the rest of the world uses, the legal definition is much different, much broader, and completely undefineable. Besides the technical definition of an assault weapon is already titled as a class 3. I would want to do some serious research before I said anything for certain, but I am pretty sure that a title 3 weapon has never been used in the commission of a crime, ever. The last I checked an M16 is $15,000 plus transfer.