Young Posters

[shawnc]

But Nick, the really important thing about you is you actually went out and did it.

[tchaunt]

I realize I said I wasn't going to post again, but anyway:
Guys. I have said this time and time again. I am not a haunter. I'm not even a home haunter yet. I am just a haunt enthusiast who only knows about haunts. I only know things about the business. I know that it's not the same until you go out and actually run a haunt. What I'm doing here is trying to learn everything I can so that I don't have to go through the troubles you all did. I've always been told "Don't just learn from your mistakes, learn from everyone's mistakes." I'm not sure where many of you got the idea that I ever claimed to be a haunter (let alone a pro haunter), but yet again, I'll say I am not a pro haunter.

Greg, what I'm saying about this site is that there's an appropriate way to do things. When one person says something, there's no need for everyone else to say it again. That is essentially what some of you are doing here.

Quite the contrary Greg, this is about me. This entire thread is about me and Vincent. Vincent pretty much quit, so that left me. I realize that y'all like having fun with younger people. But I can see that you all take it a little to far as shown from the leagues of teens who have joined, and been pushed away. I'm sorry that we're not good enough for some of you, but some of us are very serious about this industry.

Dude, I'm sorry if it upsets you that I learn things quickly, but I sure as heck have not learned a fraction of the things you all have learned in 45 years.

Believe me, I know you're not teachers. It's obvious by your grammar and spelling. Quite frankly, I don't care. You all can teach, even if you're not teachers. Look at Dr. Giggles. He has provided me with so much information about scare acting for free. Do I know how to scare act now? No. Do I know how to learn how to scare act? Yes, all thanks to members who have posted info about it. Being a teacher and teaching are two different concepts.

I don't literally mean personal friends. I consider people who are friendly as friends. It just saves time when you're typing messages as long as these. Honestly though, I once considered all of you friendly and helpful. You can check out some of my posts on my blog to see what I thought about you. Now, I just see a bunch of 35-40 year old's stuck in their high school class, with the occasional member or two who is actually kind and helpful and doesn't think that you are a liar. For instance, Jim made the topic about me possibly being a 40 year old. He was joking--having fun. I'm sure he didn't mean it in a bad way. To a certain degree, I took it as a compliment. BUT, some people took it seriously and posted a bunch of crap about me. I will say that hauntedhosuenut was right in what they were saying. They had true evidence and they had a reason to correct me. Do I wish they had just send me a private message? Yeah. But Nut was still kind in the way they corrected me, and I appreciate it. There were others, though, who were posting things that don't even make sense. When I ask for the evidence behind the reasoning to be presented, they can't give me anything. I'm sure I could explain the mysterious posts during school hours. If you all would just give me the dates, I could tell you exactly what was going on. But like usual, the chef loves the cake, but hates the cleaning.

I realize there is a difference in questions and brain-storming. Do you know what that topic was? It was my very first topic. I was new, and I interpreted the forum title wrong. Obviously, it should've been posted in Fright Forum because I'm not a pro. But guess what, there were members on here who were more than willing to help me learn. In fact, in a few weeks, my very first thread was the longest thread in the Pro Haunt Forum. I, in fact, was going to post about an idea I had, and see what others thought about it and what they thought I could do to improve the idea, but then I saw this thread in the list of New posts. And it made me realize, why should I post my ideas when they're not good enough for most of you? Hm?

Gee Greg. Your joke about the Power Rangers was so funny, I forgot to laugh. I really don't give a crap how young I am. You do not realize that I am dedicated to haunting. You don't realize that by coming on here, and learning so much from you all, I'm going to help the industry in the long run. You don't realize that some people are actually disciplined enough to run a haunt at my age. You don't realize that I, and many other young posters on this site, are the future of this industry. You'll get old, you're skin will wrinkle, up comes the liver spots, to a nursing home you go, while my generation comes in and fills your spot. Pounding the crap out of young kids who love this industry is not the right thing to do.

If anyone had actually asked for more info, they would be told my address along with the fact that I would pay shipping and pay them at least some for the things. Did I expect many people interested? No. Did I think people would really help? No. Did I want someone to send me their entire haunt? I would have appreciated the offer, but NO. I do not depend on you all to supply me in any way besides information. The thread wasn't even my idea. Vincent just popped it up on here, and I didn't know what to think. I figured why not post? Obviously, certain people were upset by it. Honestly, I know that no one has anything extra right now that they can't find a use for. I really don't care that they are "being nasty". I understand. What you're too shallow to understand is that I didn't even make that thread.

Again, my definition of a friend is someone who is friendly. I've got personal friends, which is what you thought I was referring to, but I don't have any personal friends on here. As far as I know, I've never seen a single one of you in real life. But there are still the few of you who are nice and friendly.

My God please help me. Have you not read anything I've posted. "I know that, with me being 13, it will be hard to start a haunt". I know it will be a b**** trying to get all of the money I need for a haunt and for all the supplies and the supplies for the supplies. I know I'm not going to be took seriously by most people (which you've made even more obvious), but I don't care. I am going to have a haunt and I don't care what it takes, how long it takes, or how much blood I have to spill, I'm going to have my haunt.

When I say I'm going to school, it means Monday through Friday from 7-4. I don't care if I have to work 'til 10 o' clock at night, I'll be at my haunt to build it and work on it...even if I have to do it myself. I could, even on my busiest schedule, put in 47 hours a week. And I'll do it. I don't really care if I'll be sore from hammering and screwing nails all week or what ever else you want to come up with, but I can easily invest my time into a haunt. And guess what?!? I know I'll be lucky if I even get a dollar to spend on anything I want from a haunt. I know that most haunts, even the best, usually don't even break even until their second or third year. I know that most people who own haunts also have other jobs to help them earn a living. Do I care that I'll not have that much money just so I can have a haunt? No. Not really. I've never had much money to my name. My family has never seen wealth. Yeah, we have a nice house and have a great time with each other, but I've only went out of state three times. I've went to Tennessee twice to see my aunt, and I've went to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina once. I don't care about living a lavish life style with silk toilet paper to wipe my greedy butt with. I want to live a life where I'll be happy. And for me, that's sweating and bleeding in a haunt. I'm sorry that you don't understand my dedication, but I've got it. It's there.

And band really isn't anything I enjoy anymore. Our assistant band director got fired last year because the school supposedly couldn't afford to pay her...even though they employed two ladies at the middle school and they employed three ladies at the high school. Over 40 people were told they were going to get fired if the school didn't start getting more money, and she was the only one to be fired. Now, my band director is so busy with the business side of band, he hardly has time to teach us anything. I feel like the only time I've learned something was in marching band. And since I have a photographic memory, I've memorized a lot of rhythms, making it all seem repetitive. I haven't enjoyed band for quite some time now. :/ I try to enjoy it, but I can't. I've gotten so bored, I can already play three instruments very well. And I only started the second two this year.

By the way, I'm sorry if there are any typos here. I've been typing for nearly an hour and I don't really want to go back and check it all.

[Dark Attraction]

I opened my first professional haunt when I was 18. Prior to that, I had worked on several small haunted houses while in school. Had websites like this been available, I might have gone into that first year with more knowledge and it wouldn't have been such a failure.

Steve Kristof was 13 or 14 when he and his Dad purchased an attraction from us... fast forward 7 years, he now has the #3 ranked attraction in the very tough Illinois market.

I think if somebody is in here to learn, let them.

[graystone]

Hummmmm

I don't really have a comment on this. It's like how can a young person get answers if they dont ask? But I can see where some questions come off as not revelent to this forum.

Now I have a question for Tyler first and formost I like and respect Tyler. But I do need to ask how does a person at 21 aquire the funds to open a full blown professional haunted house? Did you inherit a large some of money or maybe take money your parents had set aside for you for collage or have some sort of trust fund? Or do you have a job that pays way more than those of most people your age? In todays day and time I cant see opening a professional haunt without spending at least $100.000.00 and if your having to buy a building ect WOW I know just to install the sprinkler system in my haunt was $125,000 and thats just the attraction part. Then was the buliding price of $745,000.00 then invested about $250,000 for the haunt which included building materials, decore and props.

As one business owner that started at the bottom and worked his way to the top I wish to give you some advice. If your using someones money other than yourself THINK LONG AND HARD. Yes it will get you there quicker but the end result I will assure you will not turn out the same. Tyler I do like you and will enjoy meeting you. I guess it just makes me think how does one get so much at still a young age. Shane and its I wish you the best. Shane this time!

[Darkmaster]

I commend you on your
effort. Good luck with what you do.

I realize I said I wasn't going to post again, but anyway:
Guys. I have said this time and time again. I am not a haunter. I'm not even a home haunter yet. I am just a haunt enthusiast who only knows about haunts. I only know things about the business. I know that it's not the same until you go out and actually run a haunt. What I'm doing here is trying to learn everything I can so that I don't have to go through the troubles you all did. I've always been told "Don't just learn from your mistakes, learn from everyone's mistakes." I'm not sure where many of you got the idea that I ever claimed to be a haunter (let alone a pro haunter), but yet again, I'll say I am not a pro haunter.

Greg, what I'm saying about this site is that there's an appropriate way to do things. When one person says something, there's no need for everyone else to say it again. That is essentially what some of you are doing here.

Quite the contrary Greg, this is about me. This entire thread is about me and Vincent. Vincent pretty much quit, so that left me. I realize that y'all like having fun with younger people. But I can see that you all take it a little to far as shown from the leagues of teens who have joined, and been pushed away. I'm sorry that we're not good enough for some of you, but some of us are very serious about this industry.

Dude, I'm sorry if it upsets you that I learn things quickly, but I sure as heck have not learned a fraction of the things you all have learned in 45 years.

Believe me, I know you're not teachers. It's obvious by your grammar and spelling. Quite frankly, I don't care. You all can teach, even if you're not teachers. Look at Dr. Giggles. He has provided me with so much information about scare acting for free. Do I know how to scare act now? No. Do I know how to learn how to scare act? Yes, all thanks to members who have posted info about it. Being a teacher and teaching are two different concepts.

I don't literally mean personal friends. I consider people who are friendly as friends. It just saves time when you're typing messages as long as these. Honestly though, I once considered all of you friendly and helpful. You can check out some of my posts on my blog to see what I thought about you. Now, I just see a bunch of 35-40 year old's stuck in their high school class, with the occasional member or two who is actually kind and helpful and doesn't think that you are a liar. For instance, Jim made the topic about me possibly being a 40 year old. He was joking--having fun. I'm sure he didn't mean it in a bad way. To a certain degree, I took it as a compliment. BUT, some people took it seriously and posted a bunch of crap about me. I will say that hauntedhosuenut was right in what they were saying. They had true evidence and they had a reason to correct me. Do I wish they had just send me a private message? Yeah. But Nut was still kind in the way they corrected me, and I appreciate it. There were others, though, who were posting things that don't even make sense. When I ask for the evidence behind the reasoning to be presented, they can't give me anything. I'm sure I could explain the mysterious posts during school hours. If you all would just give me the dates, I could tell you exactly what was going on. But like usual, the chef loves the cake, but hates the cleaning.

I realize there is a difference in questions and brain-storming. Do you know what that topic was? It was my very first topic. I was new, and I interpreted the forum title wrong. Obviously, it should've been posted in Fright Forum because I'm not a pro. But guess what, there were members on here who were more than willing to help me learn. In fact, in a few weeks, my very first thread was the longest thread in the Pro Haunt Forum. I, in fact, was going to post about an idea I had, and see what others thought about it and what they thought I could do to improve the idea, but then I saw this thread in the list of New posts. And it made me realize, why should I post my ideas when they're not good enough for most of you? Hm?

Gee Greg. Your joke about the Power Rangers was so funny, I forgot to laugh. I really don't give a crap how young I am. You do not realize that I am dedicated to haunting. You don't realize that by coming on here, and learning so much from you all, I'm going to help the industry in the long run. You don't realize that some people are actually disciplined enough to run a haunt at my age. You don't realize that I, and many other young posters on this site, are the future of this industry. You'll get old, you're skin will wrinkle, up comes the liver spots, to a nursing home you go, while my generation comes in and fills your spot. Pounding the crap out of young kids who love this industry is not the right thing to do.

If anyone had actually asked for more info, they would be told my address along with the fact that I would pay shipping and pay them at least some for the things. Did I expect many people interested? No. Did I think people would really help? No. Did I want someone to send me their entire haunt? I would have appreciated the offer, but NO. I do not depend on you all to supply me in any way besides information. The thread wasn't even my idea. Vincent just popped it up on here, and I didn't know what to think. I figured why not post? Obviously, certain people were upset by it. Honestly, I know that no one has anything extra right now that they can't find a use for. I really don't care that they are "being nasty". I understand. What you're too shallow to understand is that I didn't even make that thread.

Again, my definition of a friend is someone who is friendly. I've got personal friends, which is what you thought I was referring to, but I don't have any personal friends on here. As far as I know, I've never seen a single one of you in real life. But there are still the few of you who are nice and friendly.

My God please help me. Have you not read anything I've posted. "I know that, with me being 13, it will be hard to start a haunt". I know it will be a b**** trying to get all of the money I need for a haunt and for all the supplies and the supplies for the supplies. I know I'm not going to be took seriously by most people (which you've made even more obvious), but I don't care. I am going to have a haunt and I don't care what it takes, how long it takes, or how much blood I have to spill, I'm going to have my haunt.

When I say I'm going to school, it means Monday through Friday from 7-4. I don't care if I have to work 'til 10 o' clock at night, I'll be at my haunt to build it and work on it...even if I have to do it myself. I could, even on my busiest schedule, put in 47 hours a week. And I'll do it. I don't really care if I'll be sore from hammering and screwing nails all week or what ever else you want to come up with, but I can easily invest my time into a haunt. And guess what?!? I know I'll be lucky if I even get a dollar to spend on anything I want from a haunt. I know that most haunts, even the best, usually don't even break even until their second or third year. I know that most people who own haunts also have other jobs to help them earn a living. Do I care that I'll not have that much money just so I can have a haunt? No. Not really. I've never had much money to my name. My family has never seen wealth. Yeah, we have a nice house and have a great time with each other, but I've only went out of state three times. I've went to Tennessee twice to see my aunt, and I've went to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina once. I don't care about living a lavish life style with silk toilet paper to wipe my greedy butt with. I want to live a life where I'll be happy. And for me, that's sweating and bleeding in a haunt. I'm sorry that you don't understand my dedication, but I've got it. It's there.

And band really isn't anything I enjoy anymore. Our assistant band director got fired last year because the school supposedly couldn't afford to pay her...even though they employed two ladies at the middle school and they employed three ladies at the high school. Over 40 people were told they were going to get fired if the school didn't start getting more money, and she was the only one to be fired. Now, my band director is so busy with the business side of band, he hardly has time to teach us anything. I feel like the only time I've learned something was in marching band. And since I have a photographic memory, I've memorized a lot of rhythms, making it all seem repetitive. I haven't enjoyed band for quite some time now. :/ I try to enjoy it, but I can't. I've gotten so bored, I can already play three instruments very well. And I only started the second two this year.

By the way, I'm sorry if there are any typos here. I've been typing for nearly an hour and I don't really want to go back and check it all.

[rwrussom]

Jon-Kyle,

For the most part you posts have been reasonable an to the point. The search function can be useful, but asking questions anew may also result in new looks and responses. I think the problem was the rash of BS posts that seemed to be for entertainment or controversy's sake only. The suggestion was that this is not the forum for that.

On separate note. Business and life is rough. You need a thicker skin that only comes with experience. Not everyone who shows you courtesy or feign respect is your friend. You wont survive long with that approach.

[tchaunt]

Don't worry. I know they're not necessarily friends. I had been working on the first major post on here from the time I got home from school (3:30) and I kept getting interrupted. I didn't get to post it until about 7. I was wanting to get finished, so I started typing quickly. I am using the term "friends" very loosely here.

[Brandon_K]

Young posters or not, I would simply appreciate at least a half assed attempt on grammar.

Periods, commas, quotes, spaces and even new paragraphs all have their place in life.

[hauntedhousenut]

Tchaunt

I have no problem with you, the only issue we did have was resolved, no biggie.

With that being said, don't take this place or any other internet forum SERIOUS, this is not real life, take it for what it's worth and do not invest your emotions!

[hauntedhousenut]

Greg Chise

Greg you have me confused with Mike Honcho, he said his talent was to piss people off. I said my talent was the love for pain!

[Spookyfinder]

Shane...

Shane,

Our funding is a collection of personal funds from myself and my business partner Ed... who is the prominent financial backer of the entire company. We're looking to lease a building with an option to buy... it's a write-off and we don't have to worry about the taxes of the building.

We're doing ALOT of stuff on our own... we've been lucky enough to create a team of very skilled people... from mask/prosthetics/prop maker, costuming, acting, construction/design, animation design and fabrication, etc. etc... We'll be building alot of our own animations (full movement audio-animatronics). In the future I don't want to outsource any product we need... I want us to DO IT ALL in house! We're not buying one single masks (except for one silicone mask)... we're making custom silicone appliances and foam prosthetics!

If you want to chat more about the ins-and-outs... drop me an email at scarylexington@gmail.com

-Tyler

[hauntedhousenut]

Tyler

Shane,

Our funding (close to a million dollars) is a collection of personal funds from myself and my business partner Ed... who is the prominent financial backer of the entire company. We're looking to lease a building with an option to buy... it's a write-off and we don't have to worry about the taxes of the building.

We're doing ALOT of stuff on our own... we've been lucky enough to create a team of very skilled people... from mask/prosthetics/prop maker, costuming, acting, construction/design, animation design and fabrication, etc. etc... We'll be building alot of our own animations (full movement audio-animatronics) like Disney. In the future I don't want to outsource any product we need... I want us to DO IT ALL in house! We're not buying one single masks (except for one silicone mask)... we're making custom silicone appliances and foam prosthetics!

If you want to chat more about the ins-and-outs... drop me an email at scarylexington@gmail.com

-Tyler

So basically what Shane is saying is true, your partner is handling the financial end and your investing a little on your own.

Why in the world would your partner invest that amount of capital in a volitle market like Haunted houses, they all aren't profiting at a level of a Netherworld, darkness...etc it seems that if you had that type of cash flow you would invest in something more stable.

[Spookyfinder]

Yeah, your right! As for the industry... we're not afraid of this economy and we understand that to make money you have to SPEND money! Now, granted that it's NOT that amount going towards haunts... we've got ALOT of other stuff that goes towards!

Also, our business plan is pretty solid and our marketing, so far, is pure awesomeness! But that's because I have a marketing director who knows what the f**k he's doing! hahahaha... Actually if you'd like I can outline an awesome deal we made for radio!

Also, the KY market... doesn't have any events like this. We're not a haunt, we're an event! It's something I think this state NEEDS and would do VERY well! -Tyler

[graystone]

Tyler

Thanks for the reply. A million dollars thats bigger than the budgets of Ben and Larry combined. Wow I am impressed. But with all your marketing director, a financial backer ect have you ever thought you might be money ahead by starting off small and building up? Also let me say that leasing might be and might not always be the way to go. Why would you lease when you can buy and gain the capitol of owning your own property? Sounds like you might want to talk to a real estate agent, or a loan officer about that. I am shocked your partner would not see the plus of owning. Buying is an investment, and taxes are just part of life.

I wish you the best but you are really going to have to have a huge turn out and I mean huge just to break even. And I dont know of any haunts that open and turn a profit for atleast 3 years maybe more. Haunting is very seasonal. Lastly LOL as far as radio right now a pet dog can cut a deal with radio stations they are giving the farm away.

Again Tyler I wish you the best but. Well I will just say I wish you the best. Always remember and this is coming from many life learned lessons. It might look good on paper but its far from reality. I wish you the best you seem to be book smart but your still at a very young age to be life smart.

I built a company the old fashion way I started off small, worked longgggggggggg and hard, depended on no one other than myself , never bit off more than I could chew and never ever depepned on anyone other than myself. Now share it with no one but myself. I also enjoy the perks of letting others do alot of what I did in the beginning however I still to this day know every move that every employee that works for me does. I might add they do it my way not their way as I built this company with the help of no one other than the support of my family. Good Luck its going to be a long road.

One last thing Tyler my friend you said that you "Think" this is something your state needs. Thinking is one thing. My friend you better say YOU KNOW! LOL Shane and its Trust Me On That. Shane this time.

[Spookyfinder]

Thanks for the comments and the support Shane... I hope your able to come up and visit, you know your more than welcome anytime! As I said, our budget isn't just for the haunts... there's several things that breaks up into... even another company! But that's all stuff that doesn't belong on a public forum.

Again, thanks for the support... your truely a dear friend Shane! -Tyler