Hospital Hell Semi Final Draft

[oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR]

Ok here it is guys. You said it couldn't be done. You said I was crazy. Infact you said thats not how a haunted attraction is supposed to look but hey I proved you wrong didnt I. Anywho in the design the color definition is this
Green: Patron pathway
Yellow: Backstage
Blue: Exit
Red: The only room I will tell you guys. Its the infamous Furnace rooms. You guys been helping design those two rooms right there.
Oh and this is a haunt a little over 10,000 square feet.

I'd love your guy's thoughts. Please suggestions, criticisms, whatever.

PS. I did have the wall system copyrighted so I would be sourly dissappointed if I found out that someone stole my ideas. It won't be like SPFX and CFX it'll be you stole my idea now I'm suing you for a BILLION dollars. HAHAHAHAH. But no seriously take my ideas i kill you.

[RJ Productions]

I doubt that the fire marshal will pass it with the lack of emergency exits. Check local requirements. You make need an exit every 150 feet (never more that 75 feet from an exit) Some now require no more than 50 feet from an exit.

Also I'm having trouble following your flow. You color rooms green but some rooms are not connected or provide adequate flow. Are rooms built around scenic requirements or is scenic decided around existing rooms?

I assume it's sprinkled.

I must have missed the point about the wall system,…. copyrighted??? It's not a written piece or media so you can only have it “patented” and that takes some time and money, probably more than can be made off of such a system. I would also check your idea against existing wall systems. Chances are it has already been done or a version of it. Not to rain on your parade, but original ideas are really hard to come by. Usually the best you can hope for is a unique twist on an existing idea, which still isn't bad. Trying to claim exclusivity is pointless. Ask any major vendor, ALL have been ripped off no matter how original their idea.

[Spookyfinder]

OK, so... you have the software to make the hospital plan... but use microsoft paint to "edit" it for haunt use? Hmmmm....

Ok... here we go:

1- What's the path? The green is a MESS and does not clarify an actual direction of travel for guest

2- Your not utilizing your space effectively... again, I see bottlenecking a HUGE problem here.

3- LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!!

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...3Doff%26sa%3DN

Check out the floorplan on the bottom of the page, which can be viewed here:

http://www.capareaves.org/images/Floor-plan.jpg



So, I don't if you actually designed this or not... but my guess is no! Your only 18 and not a REAL architect! So stop using Google images as a resource for "floorplans" and calling them yours!


4- What's this "wall system" you've created that's so great you got a patent on? I'm VERY interested in this!



Just some thoughts. -Tyler


PS: I'm not attacking you... I'd be glad to help you LEARN haunt design in any way I can and share all the info I know... just let me know!

[oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR]

Tyler out of all of the people here your probably the only one I kinda look up to. Besides Jim ofcourse but I look up to him as the REALLY old guy who just knows everything(maybe not everything).

I can see where you'd think I'd be embarrased about the plan already existing. I did use google images to find the plan but when I got to the same exact website. I fell in love with the plan. I called up the hospital and asked If I could use their plans for a Halloween haunt in CA that I was planning on openning within 3-5 years. We worked some things out and came to an agreement. The altered floor plan is actually what I had copyrighted.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO LISTEN TO ME WHEN I SAY THIS. I know I'm not an architect. I'm a smart ass 18 year old. So let me be a smart ass and just call myself an architect because I'm never gonna stop.

The green was just a rush paint job if you looked at my hand notes you'd see how the pathway is constricted. I couldnt transfer that over because it wouldn't let me attatch the image. And I never said I had the program to professionally edit. I use paint because I'm bomb with that STUPID little program.

The bottlenecks now thats something I'd like to learn about. Please tell me more about these bottlenecks. I'm not being sarcastic I need to know these things so I can fix them.

Thanks! Vincent This Time!

[Spookyfinder]

Vince,

Bottlenecking is an industry term (jargon) for a point in a haunt where peope become backed up and become VERY slow... overall affecting the flow and timing of the haunt!

Or that's the best way I can describe it!


If you need any help with design, just let me know. I see your eager to learn, and I love people with passion!

We're all here for you man. -Tyler

[xxxdirk]

Ok, I will throw my 6 years of owning and designing a haunt into the mix. 1st step, if you REALLY want to clairify what you are doing would be to make the guests path clear. I have seen many plans and laid out many, and I get about 1/4 of the way in your haunt and I am lost. Draw arrows, if you can, to make it clear and then maybe it will make more sense. Keep in mind, "Most" strive to have a group of 6 entering every 60 seconds or so. Now I am not saying that is the way it has to be done, heck Warfield takes sometimes 45 minutes for people to leave his room and when I was last there his tour took about 1 and a half hours. So you can break all the rules you want, just be aware that with every deccision you make, compromises will be made. If its your haunt, YOU make the rules! All we can do as a group is bring our experiences to your attention. Don't forget your emergency exits for use in a life or death situation as well as for troublemakers and chickens. GOOD LUCK!
Ron

[oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR]

The plan looks hard because at each doorway I either put 1 line or two lines. 1 line is the patrons doorway the 2 lines is the actors doorway and also the emergency exit doorway.

[rwrussom]

Vince,

Alright man, time to cut the crap. If you are pipe dreaming for the future thats great but cut the BS out. There are a lot of helpful people on these boards, but they don't really want to waste there time being played with.

As far as the plan goes - for most start ups efficient use of space and other resources is a must and you miss the mark by trying to shove a haunt in some other plan. Use the help from people on these boards and start fresh.

As I said before, there is in fact a law called the Professional Practices Act that does prevent you from saying your an architect.

As far as making an agreement with the hospital and copy writing the plan - well if in fact that is true you wasted your money. The hospital does not own the plan, the architect does and as such owns the copy write. You cannot copy, modify and the copy write it.

Nuf said, play it straight up

[Spookyfinder]

That's alot better! Now, check local codes and mark your emergency exits. Also, where's the actor/backstage areas... your bottleneck areas WILL be the areas where it looks like the line splits.

Hope that helps. -Tyler

[xxxdirk]

Ya that makes more sense. Now, start thinking about where your scenes will be in the haunt and where your transition halls will be. Also, just a bit confusing: If I read you right, you said this was an real, existing hospital some place. You fell in love with the look and decided to create a haunt from the existing plans. Now if this is a dream of yours, that is good and fine, however, keep in mind you might find a totally different bldg that these pland will not work in because of the lay out of the bldg. In other words, if this is a practice run of desigining a haunt, I think a better way would be grab some graph paper and create your own haunt from scratch...

[oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR]

I knew there was a law I didn't know the name so thankyou for that info. It doesnt matter if I call myself one as long as I don't solicite my services. Just a like I can call myself a doctor as long as I don't practice. I know that for a fact.

Now can we get past that stupid title. Whats the problem with using actual real life floor plans for a haunted attraction. I followed your notes. The hallways are all 46 inches wide. I took out the ramps. You helped me design this. Arent we in this business to convince people of what they are seeing is real and for that fact they should be scared. What better way than using a "REAL" hospital for a hospital haunt.

The whole startup thing. I told NJproductions i think is his profile name my plan. What i'm doing is going to work intership for one maybe two haunts for two maybe three years to gain money that way. At that moment I will open up an amazing haunt that isn't going to save space. Its going to wow people. I'm betting on ingenuity rather than boring space savingness.

Thankyou.

[oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR]

Thanks for that tip dirk. I'm actually in the process of starting my new design. No images of the internet. Its going to be a circus. And I should be able to post something for you guys in three to four weeks. Starting from scratch is exactly what I'll be doing with this haunt.

[rwrussom]

I just thought that layout really does not make use of the event structure you said you wanted to use. In my world efficiency means $$. To each his own.

[Jim Warfield]

Fess Up Oak!

That blueprint was really of the Winchester Mansion, wasn't it? Probably the part that burnt down?
Any floor plans ever been designed by some one using a Oui-Ja board besides Sarah Winchester?

Someone duplicating Herman Muddgett's "Murder Mansion" would be interesting..of wait I sort of did some of that already.
Never mind.

[Greg Chrise]

You could just stand outside the real hospital and ask for a cover charge. Then run away at 20 minute intervals. Hide your green magic marker so it is harder to describe what you look like.