Why Fricken Not?

[oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR]

Everyone who knows about my little escapade witht he fake blue print design website is now asking me why I would setup a haunt that way. Well not everyone but some people say that a huanted maze would never be setup that way.

WHY FRICKEN NOT?

Its a unique way in which I've seen MAYBE one other time other then my own thoughts. A haunt in Ontario CA. The Haunted Vineyard. It was all the way I'm planning but some of it was setup the same way I'm gonna set it up.
I tried to upload a picture of my design for a haunt. Im not sure if its gonna work but if it does you'll basically be looking at the wall plans of two different hospitals I combined to make one. Then I used my so called architectual skills to redesign the walls systems, the patron pathway, and made sure it was all perfectly usable for a haunt. And guess what... IT FRICKEN IS!

PS. I did have the wall system copyrighted so I would be sourly dissappointed if I found out that someone stole my ideas. It won't be like SPFX and CFX it'll be you stole my idea now I'm suing you for a BILLION dollars. HAHAHAHAH. But no seriously take my ideas i kill you.

Eh it didnt work so I'll upload just the wall system the other file is just to big.

[Spookyfinder]

Your "design" is too free flowing... your "typical" haunt is a continuous path of walls... guest are RESTRICTED to this path. Yours is too open, much too like a normal building! Your design allows guest to freely walk around as they like and this would KILL your throughput... therefore decreasing sales.

I've attached an actual haunt layout! -Tyler

[Spookyfinder]

Here's a very quick plan I just whipped up to show how "normal" haunts are layed. This is on the 60 degree (Pickel) wall system... the red area is the "backstage" actor area... and the markings are swing doors.

Again, this is a very ROUGH example. -Tyler

[drfrightner]

That design does not look right to me...

You sure that is a haunted house. Larry

[hauntedhousenut]

Lol

Here's a very quick plan I just whipped up to show how "normal" haunts are layed. This is on the 60 degree (Pickel) wall system... the red area is the "backstage" actor area... and the markings are swing doors.

Again, this is a very ROUGH example. -Tyler

I always find that entertaining when people refer to the 60 degree walls as the pickle system. The math was here long before haunted houses, he didn't invent the angles, he merely implemented it.

[drfrightner]

I personally was talking about the FIRST layout. As for the 60 degree NUT is right on the money... I can go to Office Max right now and buy 60 degree grid paper. This concept was NOT designed by Pickel in my book.

Funhouses, and all of that was using that stuff for years since the 1930's... when I go to Office Max don't see Pickels name on the paper like a trademark or something.

I think he might be the first person who actually tried to promote the use of it industry wide, but certainly not the first person to use it. If he was or anyone who makes that claim I'd like to see some proof of that. I think Pickel does a good job with his layouts using this grid, but me personally I wouldn't use 60 degrees. It KILLS set design, hurts prop placement and kills space, plus its not as strong as 90 degree.

Its the same thing as saying who actually did the first haunted house who knows, who cares... I'm just glad they did!!!!!!

Larry

[Allen H]

Im pretty sure your idea is safe. Implement your idea and see how it goes. I think you will have traffic problems, and your actors will not know where to be because they dont know where the customers are going to be. If you have these issues fixed in your head and just didnt share them then great more power to you. If people did not try new things then we wouldnt evolve or learn anything.
I really hate the "dont steal my ideas or I will sue you" attitude. Im glad you "copy wrighted" the wall system but you may want to ask permission of whoever drew up the original plans you pasted to make the one you posted here. Is that your signature in the bottom right corner?
If your original post had a better attitude you would see better responses, at least from me.
Allen Hopps

[mindtumor]

I always find that entertaining when people refer to the 60 degree walls as the pickle system. The math was here long before haunted houses, he didn't invent the angles, he merely implemented it.

Correct, hasn't this been the system mirror mazes have used for years and years?

[Spookyfinder]

I'm not saying Leonard created this system... just implemented it and made it widely known in the haunt industry. Just as this isn't Hauntworld, it's Larry's site... 60 degree wall is the "Pickel" method... so on and so forth. Back on topic. -Tyler

[oakhillshaunterTHEFEAR]

Guys guys. That is just a wall system. I had to design the wall system of a regular building first thats just how my brain works. Then I knocked downwalls and made a singular pathway for the patrons to walk. I know you have to restrict the places they go. When I finish it TODAY on the computer animation I will post it and it should fit. I only have it drawn on paper so i have to transfer the info to my comp. As for the 60 degree walls I know for a fact that Ben Armstrong I think his name is at Netherworld doesnt use 60 walls or atleast not all the way. I dont want just some regular haunted maze that looks exactly like everyone else.

On a different note I thought we all didn't like Pickel cause he was a jerk or something to Corn.

[Allen H]

please dont say we all....ever and include me. If you have never met Leonard then dont have an opinion.Im actually shocked you said "I thought we all didnt like ..."I havent heard a statement like that since highschool. form your own opinion of people, dont follow the crowd. Each board will have people who are in or out. Leonard and Larry are rivals so on Larrys board you find Leonard getting a fair shake and vise versa.They are both good people who have done alot for this industry.
Allen H

[drfrightner]

Allan,

I am NOT Leonard's rival and have never considered myself as such. What he does and what we do are two different things. Over the years people have tried to pit us as rivals or enemies or whatever but I don't see it like that.

I hope his magazine makes it and I hope that Leonard ultimately finds a something he sticks with and does well with. I have promoted Hauntcon and have offered even as recently as 2 months ago to print press releases for Hauntcon and or trade ads out in our magazine for Hauntcon all stuff he declined. If Leonard called me today and wanted us to make an announcement for Hauntcon we would!

I think Hauntcon is a great experience for haunters and have never said otherwise. In fact as we are starting HHA, we had someone on the board contact Leonard about supporting HHA and offering issues of his magazine for HHA. If you visit the HHA site you will find links to his magazine.

In the magazine coming out next week we printed info about Hauntcon even though he didn't ask us. I'm always open to supporting Hauntcon or anything anyone does that is POSITIVE for the industry.

Positive is the KEY ...

But what he does and what we do are two totally different things. In fact I don't even consider our magazines the same either. He does something different, different kinds of articles than what we do. I consider Hauntworld Magazine more of a passion and less of a business.

Anyway Leonard does that is positive for the industry more power to him...

I think one of my biggest issues with him or articles or seminars I've seen or heard is just the information that is being offered might not be the best advice in my opinion. There is nothing wrong with two views and that is better for everyone.

Larry

[drfrightner]

Back on the topic... the first maze posted doesn't look like it will work at all at least not to me. I think you should rethink the whole thing otherwise I'm afraid you will face many problems especially if you get a lot of customers to attend your haunted house.

I'd have to dig around and see if I can find some maze we did for a client...I'd be happy to post one. We use 90 degree walls which I feel are must better from a design standpoint, stronger and offer better use of space. To me 60 degree walls are like a gimmick or a funhouse look not a haunted house.

Show me a castle with 60 degree walls, or a real house or a mansion or whatever... a mirror maze yes, a funhouse maybe not a haunted house.

Larry

[Spookyfinder]

Larry, I think posting up an actual plan would be a great example of how haunts are layed out! Could ya' post one... -Tyler

[drfrightner]

I'll be honest I couldn't find one... I did find this one that isn't real it was just a made up design for a presentation or something. Its not real, and sorta how we do mazes but not really. It was the only jpegs I could find on my computer. The other is of a dark ride.

I an however get you some samples of mazes we do.

I am a master at maze design, and I can design one very quickly. I start off with graph paper, figure everything out and then move to a cad layout. AGAIN THE ONE LAYOUT ISN'T EVEN REAL... ITS JUST SOME SAMPLE SOMEONE DID SHOWING WHAT THE SCENES WHERE GOING TO BE AND WHERE PROJECTORS AND STUFF WHERE GOING. I WILL TRY AND GET ONE I'VE DONE.

Larry