Our New Haunt Hottie: Jackie

[graystone]

Again Love Me Some Hot Chicks!!

Yall remember the chick that runs around at TransWorld in camofouge with the thong up in her butt? Damnnnnnnnnnn trust me I bet the vendor she works for always has good sales! Anyway bring on more Jackie sorry I missed your call babe. Call me back you got my digets LOL! Shane and its I want to see more chicks in Birthday suits at TW. Shane this time.

[Darkangel]

You see what I mean? That's the EXACT type of attention you ask for and recieve when you dress and act that way. But hey, if that's the attention you want, shoot for the stars!

Darkangel

[xxxdirk]

Ya, I am a guy, and appreciate the female form, but the camo girl at TW is just nasty! I can totally understand Darkangel having issues with HER or someone like her in a haunt.

[stafford]

Who cares...still

First off, as I’ve said before, but maybe more bluntly, who cares.

You can’t make this about right/wrong, because there is none. People can argue both sides of this till they’re blue in the face, and it’s probably not going to change anyone’s mind. But I really think this is a subject where no one has the knowledge to say, this is the way it is, or give the bottom line on the subject.

You may not use “sex sells” to market your haunt, and you may be right in doing so, because you say you’re selling a haunted house, not sex. But let’s stop and look at how some other products that our demographic spend their disposable income on, are marketed to them.

Video games – I’m not a gamer, but I don’t live under a rock either. Can you say Lara Croft, okay enough said.

Movies – I’ve already touched on this, very seldom do you see ugly girls wearing sweaters as the “protagonist” or victims for that matter.

Music – Ok, not only the artists, but the content as well.

Clothes – Abercrombie and Fitch, come on, you’ve been shopping at the mall and seen their big black and white pictures in their stores, more ugly people, dressed head to toe right?

Food – Anyone remember the Carl’s Jr. Paris Hilton ad, the one that crashed their server so many people watched it, fairly unsuccessful eh?

None of these companies are tagging their ads with “sex sells” as has been suggested someone may try, but they are using it to their advantage. Whether you agree or not, sex does sell, not just on porn sites, and in strip clubs.

“Let the product sell itself period.” I agree, for any product or service to be successful it should strive to be the best that it can in quality, but also vigorously promoted! This could sometimes include advertisements that includes sexual or suggestive content. It’s probably not a good idea to do it all the time in every ad, and it doesn’t have to be done overtly, but to say that it doesn’t have its place in marketing, whatever the product may be, is just ignoring the reality of how things are done.

The same can be said for using “gimmicks”, if you have a good product, a good publicity “stunt” or advertising “gimmick” can sometimes work. I agree that when it’s a bad product, people that get somewhere because of a “gimmick” and then have a bad time, yeah it will back fire, but if they have a good experience, well then I guess it worked right?

Jonathan put a picture of an attractive girl on his website, promoted it, and now people are talking about his site/show more than ever (as far as I’m aware), so whether it’s “sex sells” that’s working for him, or a gimmick, or not (it could be just the controversy), all publicity is good publicity.

Larry, I do appreciate you honoring our art form, and fighting against stereotypes, and your decision not to market your event that way. If you respect Jonathan’s decision to do what he wants to market his product, you can’t say you really don’t care and then blast what he’s done.

I think the reason that I felt compelled to “chime in” again is that I don’t think what he’s done is made a step in the direction of “porn”, nor do I think that the multi-bazillion dollar companies mentioned above are moving their products towards porn.

I do understand that we all have our "soap boxes", I've gotten up on mine a few times, so if some people are offended by what Jonathan has done, I do respect your right to get on yours.

Chris

[graystone]

Chris!

Well said. Again I agree you either like it or don't. Just because some don't why blast thoes who do? Dark babe loosin up your granny panties and chill. Its clear you don't like it. Its cool its your opinion just stop trying to shut the door on our party here with the guys and gals that does. Shane and its. If your hot show it and if your not just stay quiet. Shane this time.

[Darkangel]

Chris,

You've made you point, several times now we get it you basically agree with everyone else, mostly guys I'm sure.

Shane I could post a pic of how I look but I would ask that you do the same, and I don't think the rest of the board did anything to deserve THAT!!!

Again, thanks for proving me right earlier Shane!

Darkangel

[graystone]

Dark

This is about post of hot chicks. Not ugly dudes LMAO! Now go get dressed up and show us what ya got! Shane

[Jim Warfield]

So are you saying, Shane that you don't look so hot in Drag?
Have you tried it with low lighting?
Surrounding your face with baby kittys?
We're having FUN Now!

[Kevin Dells]

Nice thread and Ron i come in your defense!!

Yep i have to agree with the majority of the boys here sorry! I have been preaching to ron for years he needed to cute up his show because (Im sorry) it does draw people in the door. One or two cute girls on staff certainly dosen't hurt and both Males and Females do like it!!

I will probably get my backside kicked here for saying our haunt last year had multiple spots that we asked the girls to dress a little scantily to draw the crowds eyes on purpose, it set up the overhead scare that she then triggered.
(AKA the Go go Cage in our redneck hayride)And yes Ginny was dressed like a go go dancer, she was 16 years old and yes her father who by the way is one of the most overprotective southern SOB's iv'e ever meet approved. He saw how well her scare got the wagonfulls of people and it was a huge part of our redneck section! Crowd Favorite and yes we pooled them coming out, they never saw it coming all attention was on her and she got them everytime!

I say i will probably get my backside kicked because many haunters wouldn't think that a theme or idea like this should be in a haunt,BUT we had it and it worked like a charm and thats what building a haunt is all about scaring your customers with everything youv'e got. No it's not old school which many here feel is the only route to use in their haunts, but for many of us were always looking for new and innovative idea's that the crowd has never seen. If you use females or even males that are hotties to draw crowds then more power to you i say!

The question i do have for Jonathon is are these girls actual Haunt Girls, what haunts do they represent? If your going to have a haunt hotties monthly girls they should be girls that actually work for a haunt. I have to agree that while your girl for february is very beautiful (incredible blue eyes!) she does look very much like a hooters girl with blood splattered on her and what actual haunt is she representing?

A good example of a Haunt Hotty in my mind(and im sure Ron will agree with me on this) would be Brooke Englehart from the Svenpuss Haunt Acting Troupe and yes she has worked at many haunts and now tours. Just my 2 cents now let the beatings begin!

[swampboy]

Just a couple points:

1) Sex and scares have been intertwined for years. Go back to ancient myths, 20th century vampire tales, the slasher films in the 80's, Anne Rice, etc...Sex and scares are in our culture, other countries' cultures, movies, books, etc.

2) RELAX!

3) I'm all for it as long as RFR commits to not having Tater as Granny in a thong.

[Kevin Dells]

Granny in the thong i totally back you on Swampboy!

That goes into the "Oh Hell No!" Book

[stafford]

Really?

Darkangel,

Seriously? You're going to tell me to lay off? That everyone gets it? While at the same time you seem to be posting about this every couple posts?

My first post was essentially who cares, to each their own, and that we shouldn't point fingers, when there are several pointing back at us for other things we take liberties with.

My second post gave some examples of how sexy images have been used to promote plenty of products geared towards our target market. I wasn't saying anyone had to use it, or should, just don't burry your head in the sand and pretend it's not applicable to our industry at all. Also, to once again say to each their own, and there probably is no right or wrong.

The reason I restate this for you, is first to show you I've posted twice, not several times, and to get you to possibly reply with something constructive, as I feel I have, rather than your rants which just make you look angry, and bitter for some reason.

You've brought up porn, stripclubs, and suggested Disney should change their princess outfits to lingerie, and dress Minnie as a hooker. You've told everyone people go to haunts to see vomit, hmmmm. You want women to be judged by their brains, and acting skills, yet you categorize me with "everyone else, mostly guys", talk about sterotyping. Don't you think women could possibly ever form a similar opinion to a man on some topic?

If you reread my posts I think you'll find my commentary was on us, not agreeing or disagreeing with what Jonathan has done with his haunt hotties, but encouraging people to think about some things, and not be so quick to judge.

It's much easier for you to get someone to see things your way, if you're first willing to see it theirs.

Chris

[Darkangel]

I apologize, I may have jumped the gun with you Chris...Your viewpoint seemed to coincide with veryone elses, I figured that side of the argument was well represented already, by many...

I believe I have stated my point and I'm concluding my participation in this thread. I underestimated the level of respect for women and their skills being highlighted in this industry both by men and by their own choosing if they "stoop" to certain levels. And if girls agree to dress "scantily clad" after being asked by their male managers, they deserve the lack of respect they will ultimately receive.


Darkangel

[graystone]

DarkAngel

Dang lighten up. Whats your deal its not like these lady's are posing nude I don't get it. Heck you cant watch a movie in this day and time without nudity. When you go to a movie and see a woman naked do you walk out and assume she is trailer trash or a whore? These ladies are not even naked. Its all in fun.

I bet if you could start a pole with the general public I bet you they would be more offended by the blood on her than the her looks! Look you don't have to be dog ugly to be apart of the haunt industry. This industry is just like the world it takes all kinds and everyone is different and welcome and adds something to it. God don't judge why should you. Jackie its clear to see you and Jon are showing that haunts don't have to be all about blood, guts, dead bodies and horror. Remember its a Haunted House Not A Horror House.

I love the the fact that our industry can have beautiful women in it. Again it don't have to be all things ugly.

DarkAngel your not the chick at TransWorld that had the faces on her boobs was you? Shane and its Jackie You Go Girl! Shane this time.

[Kevin Dells]

I underestimated the level of respect for women and their skills being highlighted in this industry both by men and by their own choosing if they "stoop" to certain levels. And if girls agree to dress "scantily clad" after being asked by their male managers, they deserve the lack of respect they will ultimately receive.


Darkangel

Thats funny Ginny got a ton of respect from me! That girl reset that overhead scare a couple hundred times a night for a month straight, i seriously thought when i built that scare that it would be a spot that i would have to replace that actress a few times in a season because of it's difficulty to lift it.

She never once bitched about doing it and she was always eager to do her job.

If i remember right she also took second best actor out of 100+ actors this past season and that was voted on by customer feedback (both men and women) and all the other people on staff,Lack of respect? No that girl gained a lot of respect from everybody !!

By the way she supplied her own costume for the part so her distastefulness was up to her and her family. I didn't just walk up with half a dress and say hey put this scrap of fabric on. But hey thanks for making me feel like some perv!