Make up artist pay scale

[screamline studios]

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Jason Blaszczak
SCREAMLINE STUDIOS

[Infoamtek]

Imats

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[screamline studios]

I elect Jason Blaszczak as president!

Geoff you could be on to something, i dont know about the whole jason blaszczak as president thing, but it would be good for someone to help monitor the growth of talent by calling, or e-mailing them on tricks of the trade or suggestions??? I dont know guys what do you think!!! this could be a great idea. Also geoff dont exclude yourself out of this you have many great dvds, what about bodybag or evilusions?? they deserve to be in the mix, or lets make it a challenge of who should be the president..... This could be fun !!!!
Just some random dude

Jason Blaszczak
SCREAMLINE STUDIOS

[geoffgbeck]

Makeup Artist Pay Scale

Thanks Rob and Katie for the supportive comments as well. Maybe we can start our own makeup artist union. I elect Jason Blazczak as president! Seriously, it is actually good their isn't a haunted attraction makeup artist union. If there was, it would just create an environment that would breed laziness where there would only be a few really good makeup artists that apply themselves, and others wouldn't practice and try to get better, but would expect to be hired because they were part of the "clan." My point is that by having people work hard at their skill and pitch their talent as individuals with their merit riding on their own reputation to haunt owners who have heard through the "grapevine" through other haunters about that artist and their ability works better. Yes, it is a little more like the wild wild west, but I think that works better in a "real" world of haunters hearing from a lot of new artists with a lot of inpiration, but not enough skill to really demand what only a seasoned artist with many many years of experience can. More importantly, only someone with many years of experience can deliver on a nightly basis both on a creative level as well as a quantity level.

Geoff Beck

P.S. DrOzombie, I know you weren't trying to pick a fight. That is why I said at the beginning of my post that I understood you were playing devil's advocate, and that I was just doing the same. I was just using the specific words you chose (great makeup artist) to prove a point. That being the fact that a lot of us "veterans" know what it took to get "here", and that there shouldn't be any confusion between that talent and someone who is a "newbie" even though like you said they try real hard. I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but again, as you know, there is a huge difference between a beginner's effort and inspiration, compared to one's proven ability, skill level, and talent. Thanks for listening. Peace.

[scareshack]

I respect all of you guys and what you do.
Great.....I Have to Pay people to let me put make-up on them. Even my own kids....lol
All you guys doing this stuff....praise and respect to you, you all seem to do great work.

[Killer Katie]

No cares, but here's my 2 cents

Dr0z said...
"anything that's not a prosthetic was done in 3 to a max of 10 minutes. With 30 - 50 actors in an hour with 3 - 4 makeup artists you never get much time to do more than one or two good ones a night."

I have several years of this exact experience and you hit it right on the head. And unless you've been the "one in charge" if everyone isn't in makeup by opening, you don't "get" the amount of sacrifice in detail and creativity you have. I've had nights where it was a necessity to have functional make up first. Can we do amazing makeup? hell yeah! Can we spend 40 minutes on each actor all the time? Hell no!
and...
what was said about someone starting out that will work for free stuff was a good observation and a good way to try out to see if talent exists without wasting money before you see the product. Unless they are established and known talent,(like Rob, Jason and Geoff) it shows a certain dedication.

In all reality - who, in any profession, gets paid what they're truly worth? In this day of multi task or you're fired and jobs leaving the country at a rapid pace - we are lucky if we get paid anything at all for "frivolous"jobs. Defeatest attitude, huh? LOL I think this should be a political platform! I bet we could get Warfield to run for President! What do you think????

[Darkangel]

So it's settled then I have two good options. Pay several thousand dollars or just offer them free pizza! Thanks guys! I have seen some haunters that may actually be able to eat thousands of $$ in Pizzas over the season....

Darkangel

[dr0zombie]

Geoff, I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I did not intend to imply your skill, or anyones, was not worthy of compensation. I am sorry if that was how it sounded. It was honest praise when I said you guys did great job with your segment on the BodybaG DVD. Just trying to throw a bone to the new guys working hard to learn and those events that give them that opportunity.

Just to be open about all this, I have 10 years in, ran Creatures Crypt makeup room for most of that (not in 2007), and I am alright at what I do. Its not my full time job, and I am just as happy working for a not-for-profit as I am getting paid. My work isn't amazing but you can check it out if you want. http://www.myspace.com/dr0zombie anything that's not a prosthetic was done in 3 to a max of 10 minutes. With 30 - 50 actors in an hour with 3 - 4 makeup artists you never get much time to do more than one or two good ones a night.



Taylor, If the pizza includes Guinness that sounds like a work plan.... whats that bit from Mystery Men... "Throw in a barbecue and a couple kegs, they'll all show up. The mooch factor is pretty high with this crowd. "

[SpookywoodsFX.com]

just do waht we do get someone who will do ifor free, pizza,etc. if they do- they probably r thetype of people u want 2 work with!

-Taylor

That will bring the pro's crawling out of the wood work.....

That's how it's done in Hollywood....

really..

[bodybagging]

feargore how about some pics from your haunt, would love to see them.....

[Feargore]

just do waht we do get someone who will do ifor free, pizza,etc. if they do- they probably r thetype of people u want 2 work with!

-Taylor

[screamline studios]

Personally I think Jason is one of the best makeup Artists in the Haunt Industry,
He deserves to write his own Paycheck.

10 to 15 million dollars is all it takes for me to do make-up. Rob thank you for all the kind words and i will pay you the ten bucks for the ego fill up !!! haha.... OK now lets really talk about talent.... lets see??? dvd, seminars,make-up, fill all the orders ,new designs,haunted houses,your own haunted house, and what do we get WOOOOOWWWW Mr. rob Johnson thank you for keeping this F@#$%@ up industry alive and i raise a big cup of coffee to you (inside joke folks, to me its beer) and i want to say thank you for all your efforts and i pray the new guys down the road step back and say wow this guy really made a difference to me ..... Good job rob keep it up!!! and thank you

Just some ramdom dude
Jason Blaszczak
SCREAMLINE STUDIOS

[bodybagging]

JAMBAM, classic case of a little APPRECIATION going along way.
Being appreciated means alot.....

[Killer Katie]

Here here!

Let the record show, I actually agree with Geoff Beck has said!! LOL (you know it's all in love...)

[Jim Warfield]

How much to pay a make up person?
A few dollars more or a few dollars less? It's hard to judge when they are always "making faces!"
As far as not being paid for what you are worth? WE are all the final judge of what we will tolerate in any work situation.
I was a loyal son and employee for 15 years , then I read the local paper that the guy the city hired to mow the grass in the park was getting paid lot more than I was! It was the city's mower and the city's gas too!
I was on-call 24/7 to repair and install furnaces and Ac and plumbing, but the guy riding someone else's mower was worth more! (No he wasn't)
I didn't even have a phone for the first three years I moved into my haunted house, I wanted nothing to do with my previous work picking up "pennies" while my kids went without. 15 years is a long time to be in denial.
Don't put the responsibility on someone else, it really is not theirs for more than a paycheck or two.